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	<title>Comments on: The 1-day adventure challenge: Blood Bowl/D&amp;D 4e Mashup!</title>
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		<title>By: ChattyDM</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2009/03/26/the-1-day-adventure-challenge-blood-bowl-4e/#comment-54514</link>
		<dc:creator>ChattyDM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 00:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My goal was not to transpose Bloodbowl directly in 4e.  I wanted to have a game session inspired by the game.

As such, we played all players in order of initiative and each had the usual trio of action known in 4e.  So in effect, a PC could Tackle a ball carrier (std) grab the fallen ball (Minor) and make a run for it.

We did hit a snag, which I&#039;ll touch in my next post, in that I ended up putting all kobold players on the same initiative count, which ended up giving them an unfair advantage (I ended up killing the sorcerer with an all out ganging up by all 5 kobolds).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My goal was not to transpose Bloodbowl directly in 4e.  I wanted to have a game session inspired by the game.</p>
<p>As such, we played all players in order of initiative and each had the usual trio of action known in 4e.  So in effect, a PC could Tackle a ball carrier (std) grab the fallen ball (Minor) and make a run for it.</p>
<p>We did hit a snag, which I&#8217;ll touch in my next post, in that I ended up putting all kobold players on the same initiative count, which ended up giving them an unfair advantage (I ended up killing the sorcerer with an all out ganging up by all 5 kobolds).</p>
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		<title>By: Colmarr</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2009/03/26/the-1-day-adventure-challenge-blood-bowl-4e/#comment-54513</link>
		<dc:creator>Colmarr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 00:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting to hear that the bloodbowl game went well.

I honestly expected it to be a bit unsatisfactory. My experience suggests that you should always convert RPG characters to tabletop rules, not the other way around. (Ie. Warhammer quest characters to Warhammer Fantasy Battle rules, rather than vice versa).

Did you do anything to limit the number of blitzes? Part of the tactics of bloodbowl is that only one player per team turn can move and attack*. That&#039;s very different to the 4e standard of -everyone- doing so.

* For the uninitiated: everyone else on the team can move -or- attack. Only one player gets to do both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting to hear that the bloodbowl game went well.</p>
<p>I honestly expected it to be a bit unsatisfactory. My experience suggests that you should always convert RPG characters to tabletop rules, not the other way around. (Ie. Warhammer quest characters to Warhammer Fantasy Battle rules, rather than vice versa).</p>
<p>Did you do anything to limit the number of blitzes? Part of the tactics of bloodbowl is that only one player per team turn can move and attack*. That&#8217;s very different to the 4e standard of -everyone- doing so.</p>
<p>* For the uninitiated: everyone else on the team can move -or- attack. Only one player gets to do both.</p>
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		<title>By: ChattyDM</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2009/03/26/the-1-day-adventure-challenge-blood-bowl-4e/#comment-54512</link>
		<dc:creator>ChattyDM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 18:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lanir and @D_Luck: I&#039;ll keep your ideas for when I&#039;ll run the adventure again at Cons!

Hell, I thought I posted my report already... something must have glitched...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lanir and @D_Luck: I&#8217;ll keep your ideas for when I&#8217;ll run the adventure again at Cons!</p>
<p>Hell, I thought I posted my report already&#8230; something must have glitched&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: D_luck</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2009/03/26/the-1-day-adventure-challenge-blood-bowl-4e/#comment-54511</link>
		<dc:creator>D_luck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 16:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You already did it!?!?

I wanted to suggest some rules you could add to make it more like a real BloodBowl game.

1.  The weather needs to change drasticly at the beginning of each half.  Exemple:  Snow to rain, or sunny to a dence fog.

2.  Everytime a team lose the ball or miss a throw, the whole team lose his initiative and dex bonus to his AC until the next turn.

3.  The crowd needs to get the ref at the start of the game.

4.  You have to include a player with a chainsaw, mowing players around the field.

I like Bloodbowl.  But all those things, especially points 1,2 and 3 are iconic symbol of the complete nonsense which IS a game of Bloodbowl.  In fact I would add this:

5.  You need to have a wizard messing with the game constantly.

Exemple:  Casting a force field around the player about to throw the ball... imagine what happen next...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You already did it!?!?</p>
<p>I wanted to suggest some rules you could add to make it more like a real BloodBowl game.</p>
<p>1.  The weather needs to change drasticly at the beginning of each half.  Exemple:  Snow to rain, or sunny to a dence fog.</p>
<p>2.  Everytime a team lose the ball or miss a throw, the whole team lose his initiative and dex bonus to his AC until the next turn.</p>
<p>3.  The crowd needs to get the ref at the start of the game.</p>
<p>4.  You have to include a player with a chainsaw, mowing players around the field.</p>
<p>I like Bloodbowl.  But all those things, especially points 1,2 and 3 are iconic symbol of the complete nonsense which IS a game of Bloodbowl.  In fact I would add this:</p>
<p>5.  You need to have a wizard messing with the game constantly.</p>
<p>Exemple:  Casting a force field around the player about to throw the ball&#8230; imagine what happen next&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lanir</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2009/03/26/the-1-day-adventure-challenge-blood-bowl-4e/#comment-54510</link>
		<dc:creator>Lanir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 01:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like a lot of fun. I may have to adapt something like this. :)

Games like this always make me think of the old Circus Maximus game. I never got a chance to play it myself but it sounded like a blast so I was always curious.

If you run a game like this again, I have an idea you might like. Since you might whip the zam-bone-y out ahead of time if someone fails really badly (or possibly even tour it out for a round just for amusement value and see if the players poke at it or not), your end encounter might seem slightly anticlimatic. One way to keep interest might be to have whoever has to fix the thing come out and be angry at the PCs for breaking their favorite toy or for re-breaking the machine they get stuck fixing all the time. Whichever you think would be funnier to play off. I&#039;d personally go with something kinda big and mean looking... And maybe use that NPC to transition to the next mini-adventure which would resemble a robo-rally and the players are tasked with picking up parts between matches (but just so happen to get caught in them a lot). :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a lot of fun. I may have to adapt something like this. <img src='http://critical-hits.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Games like this always make me think of the old Circus Maximus game. I never got a chance to play it myself but it sounded like a blast so I was always curious.</p>
<p>If you run a game like this again, I have an idea you might like. Since you might whip the zam-bone-y out ahead of time if someone fails really badly (or possibly even tour it out for a round just for amusement value and see if the players poke at it or not), your end encounter might seem slightly anticlimatic. One way to keep interest might be to have whoever has to fix the thing come out and be angry at the PCs for breaking their favorite toy or for re-breaking the machine they get stuck fixing all the time. Whichever you think would be funnier to play off. I&#8217;d personally go with something kinda big and mean looking&#8230; And maybe use that NPC to transition to the next mini-adventure which would resemble a robo-rally and the players are tasked with picking up parts between matches (but just so happen to get caught in them a lot). <img src='http://critical-hits.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Eric Maziade</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2009/03/26/the-1-day-adventure-challenge-blood-bowl-4e/#comment-54509</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Maziade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 03:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the idea of doing a sport-like combat encounter with a &quot;ball&quot;!

I shall borrow it someday!!

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Eric Maziades last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://eric.maziade.com/post/2009/03/17/Kobold-Keep-Remix-Finale-Showdown&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kobold Keep Remix Finale - Showdown&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the idea of doing a sport-like combat encounter with a &#8220;ball&#8221;!</p>
<p>I shall borrow it someday!!</p>
<p><abbr><em>Eric Maziades last blog post..<a href="http://eric.maziade.com/post/2009/03/17/Kobold-Keep-Remix-Finale-Showdown" rel="nofollow">Kobold Keep Remix Finale &#8211; Showdown</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: ChattyDM</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2009/03/26/the-1-day-adventure-challenge-blood-bowl-4e/#comment-54508</link>
		<dc:creator>ChattyDM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 01:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The game was a resounding success.  A bit too lethal for my taste but players enjoyed it immensely.  With a few tweaks, this could become a hit Convention game to show the strength of the D&amp;D 4e engine to simulate a sport game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The game was a resounding success.  A bit too lethal for my taste but players enjoyed it immensely.  With a few tweaks, this could become a hit Convention game to show the strength of the D&amp;D 4e engine to simulate a sport game.</p>
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		<title>By: ChattyDM</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2009/03/26/the-1-day-adventure-challenge-blood-bowl-4e/#comment-54507</link>
		<dc:creator>ChattyDM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everything is done... players are here.  I&#039;ll let you know how it went in a Game log.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everything is done&#8230; players are here.  I&#8217;ll let you know how it went in a Game log.</p>
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		<title>By: ChattyDM</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2009/03/26/the-1-day-adventure-challenge-blood-bowl-4e/#comment-54506</link>
		<dc:creator>ChattyDM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part 3 is up (for those who follow my comments RSS feed).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part 3 is up (for those who follow my comments RSS feed).</p>
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		<title>By: ChattyDM</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2009/03/26/the-1-day-adventure-challenge-blood-bowl-4e/#comment-54505</link>
		<dc:creator>ChattyDM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree 100%... I can already imagine how this will go tonight!

All right time to let the PC alone and prep this game!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree 100%&#8230; I can already imagine how this will go tonight!</p>
<p>All right time to let the PC alone and prep this game!</p>
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		<title>By: Yan</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2009/03/26/the-1-day-adventure-challenge-blood-bowl-4e/#comment-54504</link>
		<dc:creator>Yan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just got a crazy idea, we could each introduce our character as if it was the game commenter that comment on our entry into the stadium... That would be a cool way of introducing our character while creating on the spot fluff...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just got a crazy idea, we could each introduce our character as if it was the game commenter that comment on our entry into the stadium&#8230; That would be a cool way of introducing our character while creating on the spot fluff&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ChattyDM</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2009/03/26/the-1-day-adventure-challenge-blood-bowl-4e/#comment-54503</link>
		<dc:creator>ChattyDM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rauthik: Yup,I&#039;ve got this crazy insane vibe in my mind that may turn out to be one of those great D&amp;D sessions!

@justaguy: I&#039;m planning how to stat it out.  I&#039;ll probably borrow from a Dragon or a Bulette.

@DNAPhil: It sure is a great way to reuse that awesome playing board!

I&#039;ll keep everyone posted on my progress, as soon as I&#039;m satisfied with the installation of my new PC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rauthik: Yup,I&#8217;ve got this crazy insane vibe in my mind that may turn out to be one of those great D&#038;D sessions!</p>
<p>@justaguy: I&#8217;m planning how to stat it out.  I&#8217;ll probably borrow from a Dragon or a Bulette.</p>
<p>@DNAPhil: It sure is a great way to reuse that awesome playing board!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll keep everyone posted on my progress, as soon as I&#8217;m satisfied with the installation of my new PC</p>
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		<title>By: DNAphil</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2009/03/26/the-1-day-adventure-challenge-blood-bowl-4e/#comment-54502</link>
		<dc:creator>DNAphil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>4e Blood Bowl...that is awesome!  I have been a fan of Blood Bowl for ages, and  the idea of playing in that setting with the 4e rules is great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4e Blood Bowl&#8230;that is awesome!  I have been a fan of Blood Bowl for ages, and  the idea of playing in that setting with the 4e rules is great.</p>
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		<title>By: justaguy</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2009/03/26/the-1-day-adventure-challenge-blood-bowl-4e/#comment-54501</link>
		<dc:creator>justaguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is win just for the Zamboni of doom...

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;justaguys last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://anonynos.livejournal.com/13843.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rhogar returns&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is win just for the Zamboni of doom&#8230;</p>
<p><abbr><em>justaguys last blog post..<a href="http://anonynos.livejournal.com/13843.html" rel="nofollow">Rhogar returns</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Rauthik</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2009/03/26/the-1-day-adventure-challenge-blood-bowl-4e/#comment-54500</link>
		<dc:creator>Rauthik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s so insane it just might work....

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Rauthiks last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://thegamerdome.wetpaint.com/page/Cleric+of+Juiblex&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cleric of Juiblex&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s so insane it just might work&#8230;.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Rauthiks last blog post..<a href="http://thegamerdome.wetpaint.com/page/Cleric+of+Juiblex" rel="nofollow">Cleric of Juiblex</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Yan</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2009/03/26/the-1-day-adventure-challenge-blood-bowl-4e/#comment-54499</link>
		<dc:creator>Yan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 01:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds cool. That promise to be a fun evening...</description>
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		<title>By: ChattyDM</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2009/03/26/the-1-day-adventure-challenge-blood-bowl-4e/#comment-54498</link>
		<dc:creator>ChattyDM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 00:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My thoughts on it have crystallized.  I&#039;ll add a second part to the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My thoughts on it have crystallized.  I&#8217;ll add a second part to the post.</p>
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		<title>By: Yan</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2009/03/26/the-1-day-adventure-challenge-blood-bowl-4e/#comment-54497</link>
		<dc:creator>Yan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perfect setup to shake some latent improvisation muscle... :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perfect setup to shake some latent improvisation muscle&#8230; <img src='http://critical-hits.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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