Comments on: Yet another PHB2 post (Better get used to it) http://critical-hits.com/2009/03/05/yet-another-phb2-post-better-get-used-to-it/ The Journal of Gamer Culture Sat, 11 Feb 2012 17:53:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: ChattyDM http://critical-hits.com/2009/03/05/yet-another-phb2-post-better-get-used-to-it/#comment-54258 ChattyDM Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:06:54 +0000 http://chattydm.net/?p=2372#comment-54258 The class screams 'Come over here and dance with me, Punk!' For example, the Turn Undead-like power of the avenger deals, at level 1, 3d10+Wis damage to one undead in Burst 5, pulls the target closer to you and immobilizes it. So I think you will get a good approximation... plus there's an Assassin/Slayer like Paragon path for it too. The class screams ‘Come over here and dance with me, Punk!’

For example, the Turn Undead-like power of the avenger deals, at level 1, 3d10+Wis damage to one undead in Burst 5, pulls the target closer to you and immobilizes it.

So I think you will get a good approximation… plus there’s an Assassin/Slayer like Paragon path for it too.

]]> By: Colmarr http://critical-hits.com/2009/03/05/yet-another-phb2-post-better-get-used-to-it/#comment-54257 Colmarr Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:03:16 +0000 http://chattydm.net/?p=2372#comment-54257 I must admit that avengers intrigue me too. Will they (in your opinion) allow me to recreate the flavour of the 3.5e Black Flame Zealot prestige class (a rogue/cleric assassin)? I must admit that avengers intrigue me too.

Will they (in your opinion) allow me to recreate the flavour of the 3.5e Black Flame Zealot prestige class (a rogue/cleric assassin)?

]]> By: ChattyDM http://critical-hits.com/2009/03/05/yet-another-phb2-post-better-get-used-to-it/#comment-54256 ChattyDM Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:52:57 +0000 http://chattydm.net/?p=2372#comment-54256 Stev is a diehard 2e fan... I can forgive his fondness for gnomes. :) While I was making an Avenger (Melee Divine Sriker) I was finding that my basic melee attacks were very low (Since I was focusing on a Wisdom/Dexterity build). So choosing melee training (Heavy Blades) let me create a Greatsword yielding Elven Avenger that dealt 1d10+4 with his weapon whenever he used it. That made me a happy camper indeed. Stev is a diehard 2e fan… I can forgive his fondness for gnomes. :)

While I was making an Avenger (Melee Divine Sriker) I was finding that my basic melee attacks were very low (Since I was focusing on a Wisdom/Dexterity build). So choosing melee training (Heavy Blades) let me create a Greatsword yielding Elven Avenger that dealt 1d10+4 with his weapon whenever he used it.

That made me a happy camper indeed.

]]> By: Colmarr http://critical-hits.com/2009/03/05/yet-another-phb2-post-better-get-used-to-it/#comment-54255 Colmarr Mon, 09 Mar 2009 01:56:49 +0000 http://chattydm.net/?p=2372#comment-54255 P.S. I'm starting to get the idea that Vulcan Stev is quite invested in gnomes. He's asked every other blogger that Chatty linked to the same question :) P.S. I’m starting to get the idea that Vulcan Stev is quite invested in gnomes. He’s asked every other blogger that Chatty linked to the same question :)

]]> By: Colmarr http://critical-hits.com/2009/03/05/yet-another-phb2-post-better-get-used-to-it/#comment-54254 Colmarr Mon, 09 Mar 2009 01:22:26 +0000 http://chattydm.net/?p=2372#comment-54254 In part, yes. They are far and away better "value for feat slot" than any other attack-focused feat. How can you look past +1/+2/+3 to attack? They are immediately and obviously better than feats that were previous considered strong (eg. Hellfire Blood and Nimble Blade). Mostly, though it's because I am increasingly getting the feeling that they are "errata disguised as crunch". In other words, they are a cheap attempt by WotC to fix errors in their attack vs defences balance calculations. One Dev has said that he is giving the feats to his players for free, and that is a sure indication to me that something is seriously wrong... Edit: Yep, melee training is an interesting feat. Great for giving non-Str classes viable Opportunity Attacks. In part, yes. They are far and away better “value for feat slot” than any other attack-focused feat. How can you look past +1/+2/+3 to attack? They are immediately and obviously better than feats that were previous considered strong (eg. Hellfire Blood and Nimble Blade).

Mostly, though it’s because I am increasingly getting the feeling that they are “errata disguised as crunch”. In other words, they are a cheap attempt by WotC to fix errors in their attack vs defences balance calculations.

One Dev has said that he is giving the feats to his players for free, and that is a sure indication to me that something is seriously wrong…

Edit: Yep, melee training is an interesting feat. Great for giving non-Str classes viable Opportunity Attacks.

]]> By: ChattyDM http://critical-hits.com/2009/03/05/yet-another-phb2-post-better-get-used-to-it/#comment-54253 ChattyDM Mon, 09 Mar 2009 00:53:21 +0000 http://chattydm.net/?p=2372#comment-54253 They are untyped bonuses, applicable to a Weapon group (Heavy Blades, Light Blades, etc)and the bonus scales with tiers. How come? Is it because you think everyone will take them? I'm more interested in Melee training, which allows to take another ability than Str to calculate combat bonuses. They are untyped bonuses, applicable to a Weapon group (Heavy Blades, Light Blades, etc)and the bonus scales with tiers.

How come? Is it because you think everyone will take them?

I’m more interested in Melee training, which allows to take another ability than Str to calculate combat bonuses.

]]> By: Colmarr http://critical-hits.com/2009/03/05/yet-another-phb2-post-better-get-used-to-it/#comment-54252 Colmarr Mon, 09 Mar 2009 00:48:04 +0000 http://chattydm.net/?p=2372#comment-54252 Is it true that the Weapon Expertise and Implement Expertise feats are untyped bonuses to attack? I almost spat my drink in shock when I heard that there were (and that they had been published at all). Is it true that the Weapon Expertise and Implement Expertise feats are untyped bonuses to attack?

I almost spat my drink in shock when I heard that there were (and that they had been published at all).

]]> By: ChattyDM http://critical-hits.com/2009/03/05/yet-another-phb2-post-better-get-used-to-it/#comment-54251 ChattyDM Sat, 07 Mar 2009 00:29:58 +0000 http://chattydm.net/?p=2372#comment-54251 I'm done reading it. Favorite new Classes: The Avenger (Arcane Striker) and the Warden (Primal Defender) Favorite Race: The Devas Favorite gimmicky power: A teleport attack. You strike your target and you both teleport away, in a cozy corner for some quality Striker time. I’m done reading it.

Favorite new Classes: The Avenger (Arcane Striker) and the Warden (Primal Defender)

Favorite Race: The Devas

Favorite gimmicky power: A teleport attack. You strike your target and you both teleport away, in a cozy corner for some quality Striker time.

]]> By: ChattyDM http://critical-hits.com/2009/03/05/yet-another-phb2-post-better-get-used-to-it/#comment-54250 ChattyDM Fri, 06 Mar 2009 20:41:42 +0000 http://chattydm.net/?p=2372#comment-54250 Fixed! I'm going to make myself a Deva Avenger and I'm going to slay grammar golems and punctuation devils! :) Fixed!

I’m going to make myself a Deva Avenger and I’m going to slay grammar golems and punctuation devils!
:)

]]> By: Mike http://critical-hits.com/2009/03/05/yet-another-phb2-post-better-get-used-to-it/#comment-54249 Mike Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:05:20 +0000 http://chattydm.net/?p=2372#comment-54249 I can indeed say "Wigned Dragonborn." Also....awesome! <abbr><em>Mikes last blog post..<a href="http://kingofthenerds.wordpress.com/2009/03/03/review-lamentation-by-ken-scholes/" rel="nofollow">Review: Lamentation by Ken Scholes</a></em></abbr> I can indeed say “Wigned Dragonborn.”

Also….awesome!

Mikes last blog post..Review: Lamentation by Ken Scholes

]]> By: ChattyDM http://critical-hits.com/2009/03/05/yet-another-phb2-post-better-get-used-to-it/#comment-54248 ChattyDM Fri, 06 Mar 2009 12:27:53 +0000 http://chattydm.net/?p=2372#comment-54248 There are several songblades and magical instruments that can be used as the Bard's implement (instead of wands). There are several songblades and magical instruments that can be used as the Bard’s implement (instead of wands).

]]> By: Eric http://critical-hits.com/2009/03/05/yet-another-phb2-post-better-get-used-to-it/#comment-54247 Eric Fri, 06 Mar 2009 12:18:56 +0000 http://chattydm.net/?p=2372#comment-54247 Do they include magical instruments and such for the bard? Do they include magical instruments and such for the bard?

]]> By: ChattyDM http://critical-hits.com/2009/03/05/yet-another-phb2-post-better-get-used-to-it/#comment-54246 ChattyDM Fri, 06 Mar 2009 11:36:45 +0000 http://chattydm.net/?p=2372#comment-54246 @Stev: Yes, they are pretty much like described in the Monster Manual with more background. They are small fey originating from the Feywild that used to be enslaved to the Fomorians. @Wyatt: You are a tinkerer so it's normal that you don't feel a strong pull for the product. Many others aren't, so that's why books like that and additional monster manuals are popular. @Stev: Yes, they are pretty much like described in the Monster Manual with more background. They are small fey originating from the Feywild that used to be enslaved to the Fomorians.

@Wyatt: You are a tinkerer so it’s normal that you don’t feel a strong pull for the product. Many others aren’t, so that’s why books like that and additional monster manuals are popular.

]]> By: Wyatt http://critical-hits.com/2009/03/05/yet-another-phb2-post-better-get-used-to-it/#comment-54245 Wyatt Fri, 06 Mar 2009 03:23:21 +0000 http://chattydm.net/?p=2372#comment-54245 So far from the previews and such, I'm liking everything but the Shaman, which just doesn't jive very well with my setting (Eden). But since I'm not using any PHB2 stuff in Eden anyway that's okay. There's also a fair amount of stuff just not catching my eyes, but I'm one of those guys who thinks the first PHB provided nearly anything you'd need to be able to game forever if you put a little work into it (which I've done and will keep doing). I think the Druid and Warden are the only things I'm excited for, because I really like transforming PCs. <abbr><em>Wyatts last blog post..<a href="http://spiritsofeden.wordpress.com/2009/03/05/spirits-of-eden-spring-playtest-adventure-specifics/" rel="nofollow">Spirits of Eden Spring Playtest: Adventure Specifics</a></em></abbr> So far from the previews and such, I’m liking everything but the Shaman, which just doesn’t jive very well with my setting (Eden). But since I’m not using any PHB2 stuff in Eden anyway that’s okay. There’s also a fair amount of stuff just not catching my eyes, but I’m one of those guys who thinks the first PHB provided nearly anything you’d need to be able to game forever if you put a little work into it (which I’ve done and will keep doing). I think the Druid and Warden are the only things I’m excited for, because I really like transforming PCs.

Wyatts last blog post..Spirits of Eden Spring Playtest: Adventure Specifics

]]> By: jonathan http://critical-hits.com/2009/03/05/yet-another-phb2-post-better-get-used-to-it/#comment-54244 jonathan Fri, 06 Mar 2009 03:15:22 +0000 http://chattydm.net/?p=2372#comment-54244 Indeed. <abbr><em>jonathans last blog post..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TheCoreMechanic/~3/ay-Xr3qmfTw/indie-press-revolution-picks-up-open.html" rel="nofollow">Indie Press Revolution picks up Open Game Table</a></em></abbr> Indeed.

jonathans last blog post..Indie Press Revolution picks up Open Game Table

]]> By: Vulcan Stev http://critical-hits.com/2009/03/05/yet-another-phb2-post-better-get-used-to-it/#comment-54243 Vulcan Stev Fri, 06 Mar 2009 02:46:52 +0000 http://chattydm.net/?p=2372#comment-54243 Is it true that Gnomes are back? <abbr><em>Vulcan Stevs last blog post..<a href="http://vulcanstev.wordpress.com/2009/03/05/rpg-blog-carnival-war-is-it-really-game-able-in-an-rpg/" rel="nofollow">RPG Blog Carnival: War! Is it really game-able in an RPG?</a></em></abbr> Is it true that Gnomes are back?

Vulcan Stevs last blog post..RPG Blog Carnival: War! Is it really game-able in an RPG?

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