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		<title>By: Contest: Give the Gift of D&#38;D &#124; Critical Hits</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/10/18/dd-starter-set-released/#comment-63984</link>
		<dc:creator>Contest: Give the Gift of D&#38;D &#124; Critical Hits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dungeons &amp; Dragons Starter Set (4th Edition) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: agio</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/10/18/dd-starter-set-released/#comment-63983</link>
		<dc:creator>agio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 00:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who can&#039;t afford all the minis I&#039;m interested in seeing what the tokens look like.  Cooler than bottlecaps and erasers, I&#039;ll bet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who can&#8217;t afford all the minis I&#8217;m interested in seeing what the tokens look like.  Cooler than bottlecaps and erasers, I&#8217;ll bet.</p>
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		<title>By: D&#38;D Starter Set and D&#38;D Deluxe Set &#171; Purple Pawn - Game News Across the Board</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/10/18/dd-starter-set-released/#comment-63982</link>
		<dc:creator>D&#38;D Starter Set and D&#38;D Deluxe Set &#171; Purple Pawn - Game News Across the Board</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 23:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] D&amp;D Starter Set and D&amp;D Deluxe&#160;Set October 19, 2008 &#8212; Yehuda   Hasbro has a new D&amp;D Starter Set. For $17 you get an introductory version of the 4th Edition rules, dice, map tiles, and an adventure. Characters are pregen, and no system is offered to generate characters. (source) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] D&amp;D Starter Set and D&amp;D Deluxe&nbsp;Set October 19, 2008 &#8212; Yehuda   Hasbro has a new D&amp;D Starter Set. For $17 you get an introductory version of the 4th Edition rules, dice, map tiles, and an adventure. Characters are pregen, and no system is offered to generate characters. (source) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: LordVreeg</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/10/18/dd-starter-set-released/#comment-63981</link>
		<dc:creator>LordVreeg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 20:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tokens and Tiles do not a game make, nor pregens an RPG.
I have not touched D&amp;D for decades (literally, over 2 decades, though I have been running games since Tunnells and trolls 4th edition came out), but I am still a big fan of an introductory version.  I love the idea, but I prefer games that focus on the roleplaying end.  I play all skill-based stuff, but any introductory version of D&amp;D I&#039;d want to give my kids would focus on creating characters, not the video-game combat substitute that this game has been moving towards.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;LordVreeg&#180;s last post: &lt;a href=&quot;http://celtricia.pbwiki.com/Knighthoods+and+fighting+schools-Igbar&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Knighthoods and fighting schools-Igbar&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tokens and Tiles do not a game make, nor pregens an RPG.<br />
I have not touched D&amp;D for decades (literally, over 2 decades, though I have been running games since Tunnells and trolls 4th edition came out), but I am still a big fan of an introductory version.  I love the idea, but I prefer games that focus on the roleplaying end.  I play all skill-based stuff, but any introductory version of D&amp;D I&#8217;d want to give my kids would focus on creating characters, not the video-game combat substitute that this game has been moving towards.</p>
<p><abbr><em>LordVreeg&#180;s last post: <a href="http://celtricia.pbwiki.com/Knighthoods+and+fighting+schools-Igbar" rel="nofollow">Knighthoods and fighting schools-Igbar</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Hammer</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/10/18/dd-starter-set-released/#comment-63980</link>
		<dc:creator>Hammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 18:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like it could be useful I suppose.

The 50 tokens + dungeon tiles are probably a heck of a lot cheaper then 50 miniatures and the dungeon tiles, especially if you buy over Amazon.
Certainly something I&#039;d think of buying rather then carrying on with miniatures pot-luck.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Hammer&#180;s last post: &lt;a href=&quot;http://causalgamer.wordpress.com/2008/10/17/fallout-glasgow-part-1/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fallout: Glasgow - Part 1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like it could be useful I suppose.</p>
<p>The 50 tokens + dungeon tiles are probably a heck of a lot cheaper then 50 miniatures and the dungeon tiles, especially if you buy over Amazon.<br />
Certainly something I&#8217;d think of buying rather then carrying on with miniatures pot-luck.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Hammer&#180;s last post: <a href="http://causalgamer.wordpress.com/2008/10/17/fallout-glasgow-part-1/" rel="nofollow">Fallout: Glasgow &#8211; Part 1</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Wyatt</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/10/18/dd-starter-set-released/#comment-63979</link>
		<dc:creator>Wyatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 18:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw a friend&#039;s copy, and thought it was pretty cool. It&#039;s a really good value for new guys, even if just for the tiles, tokens and die that they can use once they &quot;grow up&quot; into rpg nerdom.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Wyatt&#180;s last post: &lt;a href=&quot;http://wyattsalazar.wordpress.com/2008/10/18/im-doing-stuff-you-just-cant-see-it/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I’m Doing Stuff, You Just Can’t See It&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw a friend&#8217;s copy, and thought it was pretty cool. It&#8217;s a really good value for new guys, even if just for the tiles, tokens and die that they can use once they &#8220;grow up&#8221; into rpg nerdom.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Wyatt&#180;s last post: <a href="http://wyattsalazar.wordpress.com/2008/10/18/im-doing-stuff-you-just-cant-see-it/" rel="nofollow">I’m Doing Stuff, You Just Can’t See It</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: The Game</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/10/18/dd-starter-set-released/#comment-63978</link>
		<dc:creator>The Game</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 18:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take it back: old school fans aren&#039;t quite as happy. :)

I disagree about needing character creation, but I also am a bit too young to remember the earlier boxed sets. Pregen characters seem the norm to me. I&#039;m also loathe to make suggestions on what they should have done in terms of content without seeing it. Maybe I&#039;ll try to get a review copy, then give it away somehow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take it back: old school fans aren&#8217;t quite as happy. <img src='http://critical-hits.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I disagree about needing character creation, but I also am a bit too young to remember the earlier boxed sets. Pregen characters seem the norm to me. I&#8217;m also loathe to make suggestions on what they should have done in terms of content without seeing it. Maybe I&#8217;ll try to get a review copy, then give it away somehow.</p>
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		<title>By: Balance is restored &#124; Greywulf's Lair</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/10/18/dd-starter-set-released/#comment-63977</link>
		<dc:creator>Balance is restored &#124; Greywulf's Lair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 16:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] copy-and-paste of my comment from the announcement about the D&amp;D Starter Set being released over on Critical Hits. Reading through the ENWorld thread and I just discovered there’s no Character Generation for 1st [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] copy-and-paste of my comment from the announcement about the D&amp;D Starter Set being released over on Critical Hits. Reading through the ENWorld thread and I just discovered there’s no Character Generation for 1st [...]</p>
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		<title>By: greywulf</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/10/18/dd-starter-set-released/#comment-63976</link>
		<dc:creator>greywulf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 16:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I stand corrected.

Reading through the ENWorld thread and I just discovered there&#039;s no Character Generation for 1st level characters - there&#039;s just pregens.

FFS Wizards! When will you stop screwing up like this!?!!?!

The one chance they have to bring back the classic Red Book feel to 4th Edition and give us a terrific starter pack to get new budding role-players in on the game, all in a kid-friendly and appealing package that&#039;s perfectly times for Christmas, and they miss out a huge part of the game.

Assuming the pregens are double-sided sheets and there&#039;s 5 of them, that&#039;s 10 pages which could instead have contained information about a handful of the races (Human, Dwarf, Dragonborn and Elf, say, just 1/2 a page each) and four classes (Fighter, Cleric, Wizard and Rogue, maybe) at 2 pages per class - more than enough for a handful of Powers from 1st-3rd level. Add a sidebar of equipment, and it&#039;s done leaving plenty of reasons for the (now hooked) player to want the full blown PHB/MM/DMG package for the rest of the races, classes and Powers.

How. Hard. Could. It. Be?

:sigh:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I stand corrected.</p>
<p>Reading through the ENWorld thread and I just discovered there&#8217;s no Character Generation for 1st level characters &#8211; there&#8217;s just pregens.</p>
<p>FFS Wizards! When will you stop screwing up like this!?!!?!</p>
<p>The one chance they have to bring back the classic Red Book feel to 4th Edition and give us a terrific starter pack to get new budding role-players in on the game, all in a kid-friendly and appealing package that&#8217;s perfectly times for Christmas, and they miss out a huge part of the game.</p>
<p>Assuming the pregens are double-sided sheets and there&#8217;s 5 of them, that&#8217;s 10 pages which could instead have contained information about a handful of the races (Human, Dwarf, Dragonborn and Elf, say, just 1/2 a page each) and four classes (Fighter, Cleric, Wizard and Rogue, maybe) at 2 pages per class &#8211; more than enough for a handful of Powers from 1st-3rd level. Add a sidebar of equipment, and it&#8217;s done leaving plenty of reasons for the (now hooked) player to want the full blown PHB/MM/DMG package for the rest of the races, classes and Powers.</p>
<p>How. Hard. Could. It. Be?</p>
<p>:sigh:</p>
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		<title>By: greywulf</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/10/18/dd-starter-set-released/#comment-63975</link>
		<dc:creator>greywulf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 16:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woot! Now THIS is exactly what Keep on Shadowfell should have been! A great starter pack that contains everything you need, including tokens.

I&#039;m going to get mine as soon as it hits the UK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woot! Now THIS is exactly what Keep on Shadowfell should have been! A great starter pack that contains everything you need, including tokens.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to get mine as soon as it hits the UK.</p>
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