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		<title>By: Reward Invested Players with Immunity Tokens &#124; UncleBear</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/07/17/moderates-have-fun-too/#comment-51339</link>
		<dc:creator>Reward Invested Players with Immunity Tokens &#124; UncleBear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;ve been reading a lot lately about Total Party Kills in older editions of D&amp;D, about how OD&amp;D made no promises to be fair, and about how 4th edition treats players like precious snowflake elementary school children who all get trophies for participation regardless to whether their team wins or not. It&#8217;s a lot to process. In the end I decided that, like the ChattyDM, I&#8217;m a roleplaying moderate. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;ve been reading a lot lately about Total Party Kills in older editions of D&amp;D, about how OD&amp;D made no promises to be fair, and about how 4th edition treats players like precious snowflake elementary school children who all get trophies for participation regardless to whether their team wins or not. It&#8217;s a lot to process. In the end I decided that, like the ChattyDM, I&#8217;m a roleplaying moderate. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Underholdningens tyranni &#171; Stemmen fra ådalen</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/07/17/moderates-have-fun-too/#comment-51338</link>
		<dc:creator>Underholdningens tyranni &#171; Stemmen fra ådalen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 12:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of Fun - replik fra Chatty, som er imod - og som reflekterer over diskussionen på hans blog. Dele af diskussionen gled over til dette [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of Fun &#8211; replik fra Chatty, som er imod &#8211; og som reflekterer over diskussionen på hans blog. Dele af diskussionen gled over til dette [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kaeltik</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/07/17/moderates-have-fun-too/#comment-51337</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaeltik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As i said on Twenty Sided when the 3.x vs. 4e discussion came up, with regards to someone&#039;s comment that 4e &quot;forced&quot; parties to work as units:
&quot;My old group found that a successful party tended to

1} fall into combat roles (at the time there were no names for these, no “Tank” etc.)
2} use planning and ... RP in advance of combat to tilt the odds, and
3} choose to engage in those encounters which progressed the story and player goals rather than fighting the DM.

The trick was to put together a group of players with a good mix of personalities and work out where everyone fit. It helped that our usual DM was phenomenal at providing diverse goals and most of the players were interested in the story.&quot;

And yes, once the party began performing as a unit, the DM was forced to respond by increasing monster count, enemy power, armament and special abilities, and to play the enemies as smarter to counter us. He almost wiped out the party in the climactic battle by combining Prismatic Wall and Attraction spells (this was back in 2e; I don&#039;t even know if these spells exist as such anymore).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As i said on Twenty Sided when the 3.x vs. 4e discussion came up, with regards to someone&#8217;s comment that 4e &#8220;forced&#8221; parties to work as units:<br />
&#8220;My old group found that a successful party tended to</p>
<p>1} fall into combat roles (at the time there were no names for these, no “Tank” etc.)<br />
2} use planning and &#8230; RP in advance of combat to tilt the odds, and<br />
3} choose to engage in those encounters which progressed the story and player goals rather than fighting the DM.</p>
<p>The trick was to put together a group of players with a good mix of personalities and work out where everyone fit. It helped that our usual DM was phenomenal at providing diverse goals and most of the players were interested in the story.&#8221;</p>
<p>And yes, once the party began performing as a unit, the DM was forced to respond by increasing monster count, enemy power, armament and special abilities, and to play the enemies as smarter to counter us. He almost wiped out the party in the climactic battle by combining Prismatic Wall and Attraction spells (this was back in 2e; I don&#8217;t even know if these spells exist as such anymore).</p>
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		<title>By: Great Discussion &#124; Tim's World</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/07/17/moderates-have-fun-too/#comment-51336</link>
		<dc:creator>Great Discussion &#124; Tim's World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a bit complicated, even for me). Definitely go take a look here, or review the condensed version here. Keep an eye out for my late-coming [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ChattyDM</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/07/17/moderates-have-fun-too/#comment-51335</link>
		<dc:creator>ChattyDM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My world domination plans are on track!  Mwa HA HA HA!

Hmm, sorry.  Thanks Deadshot!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My world domination plans are on track!  Mwa HA HA HA!</p>
<p>Hmm, sorry.  Thanks Deadshot!</p>
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		<title>By: ChattyDM</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/07/17/moderates-have-fun-too/#comment-51334</link>
		<dc:creator>ChattyDM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Typo? &lt;i&gt;Looks innocently around&lt;/i&gt;

Gah! I soo need to better edit myself!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Typo? <i>Looks innocently around</i></p>
<p>Gah! I soo need to better edit myself!</p>
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		<title>By: Ish</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/07/17/moderates-have-fun-too/#comment-51333</link>
		<dc:creator>Ish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chatty: Aww shucks... but only if you promise to fix the typo! :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chatty: Aww shucks&#8230; but only if you promise to fix the typo! <img src='http://critical-hits.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Deadshot</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/07/17/moderates-have-fun-too/#comment-51332</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadshot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, too, like the maturity of the discussion here.  I think that&#039;s part of the reason why I keep ignoring my blog.  You have great topics and some great posters who are polite and thoughtful in their responses.  It&#039;s a refreshing corner of the internet. :)

Deadshots last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/DemolitionInk/~3/322558749/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ENWorld — Sean K. Reynolds joins Paizo to work on Pathfinder&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, like the maturity of the discussion here.  I think that&#8217;s part of the reason why I keep ignoring my blog.  You have great topics and some great posters who are polite and thoughtful in their responses.  It&#8217;s a refreshing corner of the internet. <img src='http://critical-hits.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Deadshots last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/DemolitionInk/~3/322558749/" rel="nofollow">ENWorld — Sean K. Reynolds joins Paizo to work on Pathfinder</a></p>
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		<title>By: ChattyDM</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/07/17/moderates-have-fun-too/#comment-51331</link>
		<dc:creator>ChattyDM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Ish.  I&#039;m actually thinking of changing the Blog&#039;s byline to &#039;just like chatting at the cash register of your FLGS&#039; in your honor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Ish.  I&#8217;m actually thinking of changing the Blog&#8217;s byline to &#8216;just like chatting at the cash register of your FLGS&#8217; in your honor.</p>
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		<title>By: Ish</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/07/17/moderates-have-fun-too/#comment-51330</link>
		<dc:creator>Ish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mega dittoes, Chatty...

The sheer civility of your blog and its peanut gallery of regulars is probably the chief reason I like it so much.  You&#039;ve raised a few topics that, on other sites, almost always seem to kick off flame wars... and everyone has always been very polite about them.

Bravo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mega dittoes, Chatty&#8230;</p>
<p>The sheer civility of your blog and its peanut gallery of regulars is probably the chief reason I like it so much.  You&#8217;ve raised a few topics that, on other sites, almost always seem to kick off flame wars&#8230; and everyone has always been very polite about them.</p>
<p>Bravo.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott&#8217;s Corner &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The edition wars (and a good 4e review series)</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/07/17/moderates-have-fun-too/#comment-51329</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott&#8217;s Corner &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The edition wars (and a good 4e review series)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] seen by many since it started at the end of a comment thread. Though ChattyDM proved me wrong with Moderates have fun too, where he mentions the splinter posts (including this one) that came from his [...]</description>
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