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	<title>Comments on: Chatty&#039;s Review: D&amp;D 4e&#039;s Keep on the Shadowfell</title>
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		<title>By: I Haven’t a Clue &#171; The Things They Still Carry</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/05/14/chattys-review-dd-4es-keep-on-the-shadowfell-part-1/#comment-49768</link>
		<dc:creator>I Haven’t a Clue &#171; The Things They Still Carry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 19:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it easier to modify your adventures to accommodate the lack of players. Today, I read a review on Musings of the Chatty DM which said: “The adventure assumes that 5 players would be around the DM and has no [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rolando 20 » Antigos &#187; Keep on the Shadowfell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rolando 20 » Antigos &#187; Keep on the Shadowfell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Resenha Chatty&#8217;s DM [Inglês]  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chatty DM Reviews Keep on the Shadowfell &#124; LivingDice.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chatty DM Reviews Keep on the Shadowfell &#124; LivingDice.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/05/14/chattys-review-dd-4es-keep-on-the-shadowfell-part-1/#comment-49765</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 22:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, dax, WotC is releasing a Character Sheet pack (folder of preprinted sheets), and I believe it has been said that it will include power cards.

But yeah, they&#039;re coming in one way or another.

I hope they release a printable template, so we can fill in our own powers.  If they don&#039;t, I&#039;ll whip a custom one up in Illustrator, and post it on my site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, dax, WotC is releasing a Character Sheet pack (folder of preprinted sheets), and I believe it has been said that it will include power cards.</p>
<p>But yeah, they&#8217;re coming in one way or another.</p>
<p>I hope they release a printable template, so we can fill in our own powers.  If they don&#8217;t, I&#8217;ll whip a custom one up in Illustrator, and post it on my site.</p>
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		<title>By: dax</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/05/14/chattys-review-dd-4es-keep-on-the-shadowfell-part-1/#comment-49764</link>
		<dc:creator>dax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 20:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that it won&#039;t be for everyone.  It looks like the combat should be faster.  My girlfriend gets really bored when it is turns in to those things where no one hits their attack rolls.  You can only come up with so much descriptive stuff when it turns out that cool parry reverse spin thrust is a 4 (i try to make it make descriptive sense when we play, it is just us two).

also, i would bet you money we see WOTC release cards for all of these nifty new powers... and i hope they do, i&#039;ll probably make them myself.  any one play that old streetfighter roleplaying game?  The combat system was bad ass.  I wouldn&#039;t mind seeing the use of cards evolve the whole combat system.  Why not welcome a bit of strategy too.  like the fun stack resolution stuff that happens in magic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that it won&#8217;t be for everyone.  It looks like the combat should be faster.  My girlfriend gets really bored when it is turns in to those things where no one hits their attack rolls.  You can only come up with so much descriptive stuff when it turns out that cool parry reverse spin thrust is a 4 (i try to make it make descriptive sense when we play, it is just us two).</p>
<p>also, i would bet you money we see WOTC release cards for all of these nifty new powers&#8230; and i hope they do, i&#8217;ll probably make them myself.  any one play that old streetfighter roleplaying game?  The combat system was bad ass.  I wouldn&#8217;t mind seeing the use of cards evolve the whole combat system.  Why not welcome a bit of strategy too.  like the fun stack resolution stuff that happens in magic.</p>
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		<title>By: ChattyDM</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChattyDM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 09:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s the joys of witnessing humanity&#039;s deeply ingrained resistance to change.

Although, I have read enough of 4e so far to know that it won&#039;t be for some types of gamers.

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the joys of witnessing humanity&#8217;s deeply ingrained resistance to change.</p>
<p>Although, I have read enough of 4e so far to know that it won&#8217;t be for some types of gamers.<br />
 <img src='http://critical-hits.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: dax</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/05/14/chattys-review-dd-4es-keep-on-the-shadowfell-part-1/#comment-49762</link>
		<dc:creator>dax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 03:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is with people already being against 4E - Why are you making your mind up now.  I really don&#039;t understand this at all.  At what point have these people decided that everything kicking around in their head and the world is enough! thanks!  no more cool stuff from here on it!  Three days after my 23rd b-day, and i&#039;m done.

why aren&#039;t we just hoping it&#039;s cool.  This is a game that means alot to all of us (probably) and has laid the foundation for games that have really enriched are lives.  what do you mean 60 % against it.  against what?

I&#039;m a chef, and it astonishes me when people won&#039;t try what i give them - Invariably it is &quot;i don&#039;t like tomatoes&quot;  - this is an amazing tomato i literally just picked, ever have one of those - &quot;no, i don&#039;t like tomatoes&quot; - when is the last time you had one - &quot;when i was 4&quot; - what??  We really okay with this.  Nobody alive - ever - liked pizza before they tried it for the first thing.  Chill out with this prejudgemental B.S. - your talking about a friend of mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is with people already being against 4E &#8211; Why are you making your mind up now.  I really don&#8217;t understand this at all.  At what point have these people decided that everything kicking around in their head and the world is enough! thanks!  no more cool stuff from here on it!  Three days after my 23rd b-day, and i&#8217;m done.</p>
<p>why aren&#8217;t we just hoping it&#8217;s cool.  This is a game that means alot to all of us (probably) and has laid the foundation for games that have really enriched are lives.  what do you mean 60 % against it.  against what?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a chef, and it astonishes me when people won&#8217;t try what i give them &#8211; Invariably it is &#8220;i don&#8217;t like tomatoes&#8221;  &#8211; this is an amazing tomato i literally just picked, ever have one of those &#8211; &#8220;no, i don&#8217;t like tomatoes&#8221; &#8211; when is the last time you had one &#8211; &#8220;when i was 4&#8243; &#8211; what??  We really okay with this.  Nobody alive &#8211; ever &#8211; liked pizza before they tried it for the first thing.  Chill out with this prejudgemental B.S. &#8211; your talking about a friend of mine.</p>
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		<title>By: D&#38;D 4E - Keep on the Shadowfell reviews - Dungeon Mastering - Dungeons and Dragons blog - DM tips, D&#38;D books, RPG fun</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/05/14/chattys-review-dd-4es-keep-on-the-shadowfell-part-1/#comment-49761</link>
		<dc:creator>D&#38;D 4E - Keep on the Shadowfell reviews - Dungeon Mastering - Dungeons and Dragons blog - DM tips, D&#38;D books, RPG fun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 05:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Chatty DM&#8217;s review of Keep on the Shadowfell [...]</description>
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		<title>By: D&#38;D 4E - Keep on the Shadowfell reviews - Dungeon Mastering - Dungeons and Dragons blog - DM tips, D&#38;D books, RPG fun</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/05/14/chattys-review-dd-4es-keep-on-the-shadowfell-part-1/#comment-50303</link>
		<dc:creator>D&#38;D 4E - Keep on the Shadowfell reviews - Dungeon Mastering - Dungeons and Dragons blog - DM tips, D&#38;D books, RPG fun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 05:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Chatty DM&#8217;s review of Keep on the Shadowfell [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Session Report &#38; Review: Keep on the Shadowfell (Part 1) : Critical Hits</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/05/14/chattys-review-dd-4es-keep-on-the-shadowfell-part-1/#comment-49760</link>
		<dc:creator>Session Report &#38; Review: Keep on the Shadowfell (Part 1) : Critical Hits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 07:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If you&#8217;d like to read a great preview which may cover some other points that I missed about the product in general and materials included, be sure to check out Chatty&#8217;s review. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] If you&#8217;d like to read a great preview which may cover some other points that I missed about the product in general and materials included, be sure to check out Chatty&#8217;s review. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Session Report &#38; Review: Keep on the Shadowfell (Part 1) : Critical Hits</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/05/14/chattys-review-dd-4es-keep-on-the-shadowfell-part-1/#comment-50302</link>
		<dc:creator>Session Report &#38; Review: Keep on the Shadowfell (Part 1) : Critical Hits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 07:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If you&#8217;d like to read a great preview which may cover some other points that I missed about the product in general and materials included, be sure to check out Chatty&#8217;s review. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/05/14/chattys-review-dd-4es-keep-on-the-shadowfell-part-1/#comment-49759</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 12:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got a chance to play with game as a preview, getting ready to run games for D&amp;D Game day on the 7th. I agree the rogue seems to have a lot of neat abilities. I do think I&#039;ll hold off on getting the adventure, I&#039;m not really feeling the quality was there for the price they want to charge.

I&#039;m still looking forward to the new edition, it&#039;s looking promising so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got a chance to play with game as a preview, getting ready to run games for D&amp;D Game day on the 7th. I agree the rogue seems to have a lot of neat abilities. I do think I&#8217;ll hold off on getting the adventure, I&#8217;m not really feeling the quality was there for the price they want to charge.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still looking forward to the new edition, it&#8217;s looking promising so far.</p>
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		<title>By: ChattyDM</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/05/14/chattys-review-dd-4es-keep-on-the-shadowfell-part-1/#comment-49758</link>
		<dc:creator>ChattyDM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 10:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Heather,

I agree with Graham 100%.  We&#039;ll help you either through email or on our forum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Heather,</p>
<p>I agree with Graham 100%.  We&#8217;ll help you either through email or on our forum.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/05/14/chattys-review-dd-4es-keep-on-the-shadowfell-part-1/#comment-49757</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 04:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Heather -

You should actually have a much easier time in 4e with smaller parties.

In 3e, the general rule was a party against one creature.

In 4e, it will be a party against one creature per party member (usually).  So if you have 2 players with level 3 characters, use 2 level 3 monsters for an average fight.  For a tougher fight, use 3 level 3s, or 2 level 4s, or something in that range.

The issue will only arise with published adventures, which need to make certain assumptions about party size.  In this adventure, encounters will be designed for 5-person parties.  To make this good for a 2-man party, you would need to basically halve the number of creatures in a battle.  (If there are 5 kobolds, remove 3, for instance.  If there are two elite creatures, remove one.)

Again, you might have issues running some published adventures, but you should have a much easier time making your own encounters.

(As such, you can run published advantures simply by ignoring their encounters, and rebuilding them with smaller numbers of creatures yourself.  If what we&#039;re told is correct, rebuilding an encounter like this should take mere minutes.  You will need the core books for this, however.  If you have trouble at first, you will likely find a number of GMs online, such as Chatty and I, who would be more than willing to help a newbie GM remake some encounters.  Seriously, email me from my website if you want a hand with anything like this.  Or at all.  I don&#039;t bite, though my characters sometimes do.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Heather -</p>
<p>You should actually have a much easier time in 4e with smaller parties.</p>
<p>In 3e, the general rule was a party against one creature.</p>
<p>In 4e, it will be a party against one creature per party member (usually).  So if you have 2 players with level 3 characters, use 2 level 3 monsters for an average fight.  For a tougher fight, use 3 level 3s, or 2 level 4s, or something in that range.</p>
<p>The issue will only arise with published adventures, which need to make certain assumptions about party size.  In this adventure, encounters will be designed for 5-person parties.  To make this good for a 2-man party, you would need to basically halve the number of creatures in a battle.  (If there are 5 kobolds, remove 3, for instance.  If there are two elite creatures, remove one.)</p>
<p>Again, you might have issues running some published adventures, but you should have a much easier time making your own encounters.</p>
<p>(As such, you can run published advantures simply by ignoring their encounters, and rebuilding them with smaller numbers of creatures yourself.  If what we&#8217;re told is correct, rebuilding an encounter like this should take mere minutes.  You will need the core books for this, however.  If you have trouble at first, you will likely find a number of GMs online, such as Chatty and I, who would be more than willing to help a newbie GM remake some encounters.  Seriously, email me from my website if you want a hand with anything like this.  Or at all.  I don&#8217;t bite, though my characters sometimes do.)</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/05/14/chattys-review-dd-4es-keep-on-the-shadowfell-part-1/#comment-49756</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 03:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am one of those neophyte DMs referred to in this article. I was looking forward to the new rules mostly for the rumor of simplification (3.5 was a little daunting). After reading your review, I see that the thing I had the greatest problem with in 3.5 (even more than the daunting bit) will still be a problem here - not a full group. I generally play with like...half a group. Any advice for a nooby DM with half a group?

Heathers last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://thethingstheystillcarry.blogspot.com/2008/05/astroids-are-not-my-concern-admiral.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Astroids are not my concern Admiral...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am one of those neophyte DMs referred to in this article. I was looking forward to the new rules mostly for the rumor of simplification (3.5 was a little daunting). After reading your review, I see that the thing I had the greatest problem with in 3.5 (even more than the daunting bit) will still be a problem here &#8211; not a full group. I generally play with like&#8230;half a group. Any advice for a nooby DM with half a group?</p>
<p>Heathers last blog post..<a href="http://thethingstheystillcarry.blogspot.com/2008/05/astroids-are-not-my-concern-admiral.html" rel="nofollow">Astroids are not my concern Admiral&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: La prima recensione di &#8220;keep on the Shadofell&#8221;, la prima avventura per d&#38;d 4th ed &#124; CasaLeva OnLine</title>
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		<title>By: What's He On About Now? » D&#38;D 4th Edition Demos</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 05:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Chatty DM, who stops by this site every now and then, has posted an extensive review of Keep on the Shadowfell. [...]</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 05:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dave T. Game</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave T. Game</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 16:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I didn&#039;t mind not using my basic attack ever. The only thing that annoys me, and this is a formatting issue not a game one, is that the basic attack is teeny-tiny on the sheets, and in a totally different place than the powers. So whenever I had to make an Opportunity Attack (which I did quite often as a fighter against Kobolds) I had to hunt for the basic attack.

But back on topic, nope, didn&#039;t feel gimmicky in play. Felt surprisingly similar to playing in 3.5.

Dave T. Games last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/CriticalHits/~3/292268478/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Warhammer 40k: 5th Edition Preview&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I didn&#8217;t mind not using my basic attack ever. The only thing that annoys me, and this is a formatting issue not a game one, is that the basic attack is teeny-tiny on the sheets, and in a totally different place than the powers. So whenever I had to make an Opportunity Attack (which I did quite often as a fighter against Kobolds) I had to hunt for the basic attack.</p>
<p>But back on topic, nope, didn&#8217;t feel gimmicky in play. Felt surprisingly similar to playing in 3.5.</p>
<p>Dave T. Games last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/CriticalHits/~3/292268478/" rel="nofollow">Warhammer 40k: 5th Edition Preview</a></p>
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