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	<title>Comments on: DM Chronicles 17: This is the end, Fiend</title>
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		<title>By: of Dice and Dragons &#187; Realms of Rylon Post-Mortem - The Ugly</title>
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		<dc:creator>of Dice and Dragons &#187; Realms of Rylon Post-Mortem - The Ugly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I would agree but unlike the campaign endings mentioned at Treasure Tables or at the Musings of a Chatty DM the Realms didn&#8217;t really end, it died on the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mystrich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mystrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 04:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was wondering if Wizards would do something like this after I read the Wiki article on the campaign where Vecna fights the Lady of Pain, destroying the multiverse and creating 3rd edition. I skipped a lot of the scenes, but the parts I read were awesome sounding.

Also, pretty amazing that this was all 12th level, but now that I think about it, I think Die Vecna, Die! or whatever it is, was 13th.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering if Wizards would do something like this after I read the Wiki article on the campaign where Vecna fights the Lady of Pain, destroying the multiverse and creating 3rd edition. I skipped a lot of the scenes, but the parts I read were awesome sounding.</p>
<p>Also, pretty amazing that this was all 12th level, but now that I think about it, I think Die Vecna, Die! or whatever it is, was 13th.</p>
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		<title>By: ChattyDM</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/05/11/dm-chronicles-17-this-is-the-end-fiend/#comment-49654</link>
		<dc:creator>ChattyDM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 12:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bartoneus: No I haven&#039;t, I&#039;m staying clear of the Wizards site to limit how spoiled I get.  But now I&#039;m curious.

It really is an awesome feel to finish a campaign... none of our 3.x games had a clear stop point before...

I just read it.... I find it really cool that you can now plan how your character will leave his life of adventure and mark his/her place in the universe&#039;s history!

Thanks for the heads up.

Let&#039;s just say that my players are now the most famous 12th level characters ever!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bartoneus: No I haven&#8217;t, I&#8217;m staying clear of the Wizards site to limit how spoiled I get.  But now I&#8217;m curious.</p>
<p>It really is an awesome feel to finish a campaign&#8230; none of our 3.x games had a clear stop point before&#8230;</p>
<p>I just read it&#8230;. I find it really cool that you can now plan how your character will leave his life of adventure and mark his/her place in the universe&#8217;s history!</p>
<p>Thanks for the heads up.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s just say that my players are now the most famous 12th level characters ever!</p>
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		<title>By: Bartoneus</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/05/11/dm-chronicles-17-this-is-the-end-fiend/#comment-49653</link>
		<dc:creator>Bartoneus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 12:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please tell me you&#039;ve read the Epic Destiny preview for 4th Edition?  Reading that yesterday and then this log about the end of a campaign today, I can&#039;t WAIT for all of the build up and endings to our future campaigns!

Bartoneuss last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/CriticalHits/~3/289162849/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;YouTube of the Week: Lost an Evil Floating Head Edition&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please tell me you&#8217;ve read the Epic Destiny preview for 4th Edition?  Reading that yesterday and then this log about the end of a campaign today, I can&#8217;t WAIT for all of the build up and endings to our future campaigns!</p>
<p>Bartoneuss last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/CriticalHits/~3/289162849/" rel="nofollow">YouTube of the Week: Lost an Evil Floating Head Edition</a></p>
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		<title>By: ChattyDM</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/05/11/dm-chronicles-17-this-is-the-end-fiend/#comment-49652</link>
		<dc:creator>ChattyDM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 23:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ScottM: I&#039;m really happy I was able to refocus my enthusiasm for the last game.. it was touch and go for a while.   OMG you&#039;re one of the GnomeStew ten... I had famous commenters!  Weee!  :)


@Mike: Dude, I&#039;m the one that&#039;s happy you joined us.  Now we never miss a game!  Yes, the cleric was vastly under performing in terms of the &#039;oomph&#039; generated by all the others... Had we more time, I&#039;d probably would have drafted Graham into helping me drive a  Complete redesign of the 3.5 divine caster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ScottM: I&#8217;m really happy I was able to refocus my enthusiasm for the last game.. it was touch and go for a while.   OMG you&#8217;re one of the GnomeStew ten&#8230; I had famous commenters!  Weee!  <img src='http://critical-hits.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@Mike: Dude, I&#8217;m the one that&#8217;s happy you joined us.  Now we never miss a game!  Yes, the cleric was vastly under performing in terms of the &#8216;oomph&#8217; generated by all the others&#8230; Had we more time, I&#8217;d probably would have drafted Graham into helping me drive a  Complete redesign of the 3.5 divine caster.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/05/11/dm-chronicles-17-this-is-the-end-fiend/#comment-49651</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 22:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Be reassure, Chatty. It&#039;s not that i really dislike the role of the cleric. When you generously invite me to join your current pool of players for that ultimate D&amp;D 3.5 campaign and that you suggest a cleric, since the group lacked that kind of support, i gladly accepted and knew what that implied. And while that sort of character is pretty much passive despite his great usefulness in certain situation, what i found a little bit disappointing is his aspect versus the totally &quot;awesomeness&quot; of the other player&#039;s prestige characters with their cool feats and satisfying critical hits and huge damage ;)

But i really enjoyed our games and thank you again for invited me to your circle and i know that the next adventure will be very different and i&#039;m exited about it :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be reassure, Chatty. It&#8217;s not that i really dislike the role of the cleric. When you generously invite me to join your current pool of players for that ultimate D&amp;D 3.5 campaign and that you suggest a cleric, since the group lacked that kind of support, i gladly accepted and knew what that implied. And while that sort of character is pretty much passive despite his great usefulness in certain situation, what i found a little bit disappointing is his aspect versus the totally &#8220;awesomeness&#8221; of the other player&#8217;s prestige characters with their cool feats and satisfying critical hits and huge damage <img src='http://critical-hits.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But i really enjoyed our games and thank you again for invited me to your circle and i know that the next adventure will be very different and i&#8217;m exited about it <img src='http://critical-hits.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ScottM</title>
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		<dc:creator>ScottM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 21:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like a great ending!  Glad you got on track for a great finale.

It is hard to figure out how much to describe-- box text is rightly derided, but leave out one or two words and the players&#039; understanding and tactics can all change dramatically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a great ending!  Glad you got on track for a great finale.</p>
<p>It is hard to figure out how much to describe&#8211; box text is rightly derided, but leave out one or two words and the players&#8217; understanding and tactics can all change dramatically.</p>
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		<title>By: ChattyDM</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/05/11/dm-chronicles-17-this-is-the-end-fiend/#comment-49649</link>
		<dc:creator>ChattyDM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 19:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jason: Lol I doubt that!  That game was very much a bunch of stolen ideas and tropes more or less cleverly mixed up sprinkled with 3 hacked published adventures.

But then again aren&#039;t all Blockbusters a bunch of stolen hacked together ideas too?

But man it was satisfying to see these Demon Lord/Goddess avatars fall dead!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jason: Lol I doubt that!  That game was very much a bunch of stolen ideas and tropes more or less cleverly mixed up sprinkled with 3 hacked published adventures.</p>
<p>But then again aren&#8217;t all Blockbusters a bunch of stolen hacked together ideas too?</p>
<p>But man it was satisfying to see these Demon Lord/Goddess avatars fall dead!</p>
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		<title>By: jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 19:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So who are you going to sell the movie rights to? Paramount? New Line? I&#039;m sure The Wachowski brothers would be interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So who are you going to sell the movie rights to? Paramount? New Line? I&#8217;m sure The Wachowski brothers would be interested.</p>
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		<title>By: ChattyDM</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2008/05/11/dm-chronicles-17-this-is-the-end-fiend/#comment-49647</link>
		<dc:creator>ChattyDM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 17:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing I forgot to mention is that for a campaign finale, the Matrix Soundtracks are absolutely awesome!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I forgot to mention is that for a campaign finale, the Matrix Soundtracks are absolutely awesome!</p>
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		<title>By: ChattyDM</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChattyDM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 10:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Yan: Oh yeah, I did have the Giant say that, my bad... it wasn&#039;t only metagaming.  That&#039;s good because I really hoped that no one would try to fight that thing.

@Yax: Yeah I need to be a bit more empathic about that.  I need to gauge a player&#039;s need for details and the pacing of the game and strike the best possible balance.

@Lanir: Yes perfect ending and the enthusiasm came back in the days before the game and during.

As for the Dance of Ruin, the Vrocks usually fly when doing it... but good thought...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Yan: Oh yeah, I did have the Giant say that, my bad&#8230; it wasn&#8217;t only metagaming.  That&#8217;s good because I really hoped that no one would try to fight that thing.</p>
<p>@Yax: Yeah I need to be a bit more empathic about that.  I need to gauge a player&#8217;s need for details and the pacing of the game and strike the best possible balance.</p>
<p>@Lanir: Yes perfect ending and the enthusiasm came back in the days before the game and during.</p>
<p>As for the Dance of Ruin, the Vrocks usually fly when doing it&#8230; but good thought&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lanir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lanir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 08:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like the sort of ending you were looking for. Your post also appeared to show more enthusiasm for the game than you had expressed a couple sessions ago and that&#039;s always a good thing.

I had fun reading about it, partly due to a stray thought about the vrocks as I began reading. If I saw a dance of ruin in the making I think my first wish would be a grease spell with a really jacked up save DC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like the sort of ending you were looking for. Your post also appeared to show more enthusiasm for the game than you had expressed a couple sessions ago and that&#8217;s always a good thing.</p>
<p>I had fun reading about it, partly due to a stray thought about the vrocks as I began reading. If I saw a dance of ruin in the making I think my first wish would be a grease spell with a really jacked up save DC.</p>
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		<title>By: Yax</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 05:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Details may sometimes feel unnecessary but they are important.  It&#039;s an integral part of the player experience to judge what&#039;s important and what&#039;s not.

Just my 2 cents.

Yaxs last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/DungeonMastering/~3/287920782/dd-monday-morning-speedlinking-which-rss-feeds-do-you-read&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;D&amp;D Monday morning speedlinking - Which RSS feeds do you read?&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Details may sometimes feel unnecessary but they are important.  It&#8217;s an integral part of the player experience to judge what&#8217;s important and what&#8217;s not.</p>
<p>Just my 2 cents.</p>
<p>Yaxs last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/DungeonMastering/~3/287920782/dd-monday-morning-speedlinking-which-rss-feeds-do-you-read" rel="nofollow">D&amp;D Monday morning speedlinking &#8211; Which RSS feeds do you read?</a></p>
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		<title>By: Yan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 03:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;(They had metagaming knowledge that the Yugoloth was way way more powerful than they were)&quot;

When we asked the frost giant envoy of Kostchtchie who the yugoloth was. You said that he could probably take on the hole room... Considering what was in the room I don&#039;t think we needed any further metagaming knowledge to gather that he was out of our league... :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;(They had metagaming knowledge that the Yugoloth was way way more powerful than they were)&#8221;</p>
<p>When we asked the frost giant envoy of Kostchtchie who the yugoloth was. You said that he could probably take on the hole room&#8230; Considering what was in the room I don&#8217;t think we needed any further metagaming knowledge to gather that he was out of our league&#8230; <img src='http://critical-hits.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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