Comments on: Mini-Fluff'N'Crunch: Requiem for my Bronze Friend http://critical-hits.com/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/ The Journal of Gamer Culture Sat, 11 Feb 2012 08:43:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: ChattyDM http://critical-hits.com/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47581 ChattyDM Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:59:00 +0000 http://chattydm.net/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47581 This just in (Thanks to Graham) http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4news/20080116a This just in (Thanks to Graham)

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4news/20080116a

]]> By: ChattyDM http://critical-hits.com/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47580 ChattyDM Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:45:25 +0000 http://chattydm.net/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47580 I eat my words all the time.... that's why I'm 25 lbs overweight :) Dave the Game knows what <a href="http://www.jackchalker.com/" rel="nofollow">I'm talking about</a> and if he is evil, he just very well make me do it... (Ah he beat me to the reply!) Hey, 2 Daves won... Time for a <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b-N28eG2go" rel="nofollow">Song</a>! Edit: Link fixed.... :) As for the books Dave, I could buy copies and have you ship them to me... I'll cover all costs. I eat my words all the time…. that’s why I’m 25 lbs overweight :)

Dave the Game knows what I’m talking about and if he is evil, he just very well make me do it… (Ah he beat me to the reply!)

Hey, 2 Daves won…

Time for a Song!

Edit: Link fixed….
:)

As for the books Dave, I could buy copies and have you ship them to me… I’ll cover all costs.

]]> By: Dave T. Game http://critical-hits.com/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47579 Dave T. Game Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:44:45 +0000 http://chattydm.net/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47579 I promise I'll pick one simpler. As far the books... well, I'll see if I can help out if I can make it to GenCon. (The person I was planning on going with just joined the Air Force...) I promise I’ll pick one simpler.

As far the books… well, I’ll see if I can help out if I can make it to GenCon. (The person I was planning on going with just joined the Air Force…)

]]> By: John Arcadian http://critical-hits.com/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47578 John Arcadian Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:37:57 +0000 http://chattydm.net/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47578 "Harumph, John and I said the same thing! I don’t need a prize anyway (grumble grumble grumble)" You are very right, I cede my prize and give you my full trope picking powers. However, I also want to make Chatty eat his words "even if it’s about time traveling, sex-changing well-endowed characters!" and then again, I don't want to see what that sparks . . . “Harumph, John and I said the same thing! I don’t need a prize anyway (grumble grumble grumble)” You are very right, I cede my prize and give you my full trope picking powers. However, I also want to make Chatty eat his words “even if it’s about time traveling, sex-changing well-endowed characters!”

and then again, I don’t want to see what that sparks . . .

]]> By: ChattyDM http://critical-hits.com/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47577 ChattyDM Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:57:37 +0000 http://chattydm.net/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47577 Ahhhhh Dave.... Tell you what, pick a trope for a Mini-trope post I'll dedicate the next one to you.... even if it's about time traveling, sex-changing well-endowed characters! <i>I need to get my hands on these books somehow.... Usedbooks stores suck in Montreal, they are buried in bad French translations of English best sellers!</i> Ahhhhh Dave….

Tell you what, pick a trope for a Mini-trope post I’ll dedicate the next one to you…. even if it’s about time traveling, sex-changing well-endowed characters!

I need to get my hands on these books somehow…. Usedbooks stores suck in Montreal, they are buried in bad French translations of English best sellers!

]]> By: Dave T. Game http://critical-hits.com/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47576 Dave T. Game Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:52:33 +0000 http://chattydm.net/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47576 "Close enough…. John and Davetrollkin take the prize." Harumph, John and I said the same thing! I don't need a prize anyway (grumble grumble grumble) "back in Classic D&D we had a Red Steel dragon, a homage to a certain metal from the Savage Coast campaign setting" But, Red Steel is rare... AND CURSED! (love that soundtrack) “Close enough…. John and Davetrollkin take the prize.”

Harumph, John and I said the same thing! I don’t need a prize anyway (grumble grumble grumble)

“back in Classic D&D we had a Red Steel dragon, a homage to a certain metal from the Savage Coast campaign setting”

But, Red Steel is rare… AND CURSED! (love that soundtrack)

]]> By: ChattyDM http://critical-hits.com/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47575 ChattyDM Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:33:48 +0000 http://chattydm.net/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47575 I have a particular soft spot for the <a href="http://dom.chipoltina.net/Draconology/FangDragon.gif" rel="nofollow">Fang Dragon</a> (Draconomicon) myself, it's all claws and spikes, deals damage as a dragon one size bigger than itself and drain constitution on a bite instead of a Breath Weapon... On my side, as with all D&D fans I'm willing to bet, I've grown attached to some vestigial aspects of that game.... Dragons as they are being one of them. Oh and by the way, thanks one and all for the excellent discussions on this thread... I think I broke a comment record, even if we remove all of mine (14 so far!) I have a particular soft spot for the Fang Dragon (Draconomicon) myself, it’s all claws and spikes, deals damage as a dragon one size bigger than itself and drain constitution on a bite instead of a Breath Weapon…

On my side, as with all D&D fans I’m willing to bet, I’ve grown attached to some vestigial aspects of that game…. Dragons as they are being one of them.

Oh and by the way, thanks one and all for the excellent discussions on this thread…

I think I broke a comment record, even if we remove all of mine (14 so far!)

]]> By: Phased Weasel http://critical-hits.com/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47574 Phased Weasel Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:17:47 +0000 http://chattydm.net/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47574 In the vein of giant beast dragons, I've always enjoyed the linnorms in the Monster Manual 2. Or perhaps it was just the beautiful artwork... Oriental Adventures (spectacular book!) has a great section on Asian themed dragons, plus awesome art. In the vein of giant beast dragons, I’ve always enjoyed the linnorms in the Monster Manual 2. Or perhaps it was just the beautiful artwork…

Oriental Adventures (spectacular book!) has a great section on Asian themed dragons, plus awesome art.

]]> By: John Arcadian http://critical-hits.com/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47573 John Arcadian Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:46:41 +0000 http://chattydm.net/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47573 "Give me Fire Drakes, Sea Wyrms, Sandragons, Forest Drakes and Swamp Dragons instead of Red, Blue, White, Green and Black." I agree with you on that. The distinction I would like to see is between dragons that are all powerful and magical, and dragons that are Big Dangerous Beasts to fight. I'm not going to be taking on a "traditional" dragon until I'm higher level, but I still want the glory of killing something bigger than me (if only slightly) and scaly. “Give me Fire Drakes, Sea Wyrms, Sandragons, Forest Drakes and Swamp Dragons instead of Red, Blue, White, Green and Black.”

I agree with you on that. The distinction I would like to see is between dragons that are all powerful and magical, and dragons that are Big Dangerous Beasts to fight. I’m not going to be taking on a “traditional” dragon until I’m higher level, but I still want the glory of killing something bigger than me (if only slightly) and scaly.

]]> By: greywulf http://critical-hits.com/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47572 greywulf Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:24:29 +0000 http://chattydm.net/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47572 This is one change for 4th Edition I like, a lot. We've long had non-aligned dragons in our D&D sessions as it keeps players on their toes which is always a good thing. While 90% of Gold dragons might well be Good-aligned, their definition of "goodness" might well differ with what puny pinkskins believe. Heck, back in Classic D&D we had a Red Steel dragon, a homage to a certain metal from the Savage Coast campaign setting. That was both a chromatic //and// metallic dragon with certain rather unusual power. Unusual for a dragon, that is. For my part, I'd be happy if they dropped the whole chromatic dragon nomeclature and replaced it with more elemental names. Give me Fire Drakes, Sea Wyrms, Sandragons, Forest Drakes and Swamp Dragons instead of Red, Blue, White, Green and Black. Give me multi-coloured dragons. Give me Fire Drakes with red scales and yellow undersides, or green-and-brown mottled Forest Drakes. Let the colours change with age, or shift according to mood. Give me dragons that are cool and fun to play without a spreadsheet and three open rulesbooks by my side. In short, I don't mind how much they change the dragons for 4e; it was one of the areas in 3.5e which desperately needed revision. Meantime, I'll keep on playing <a href="http://mutantsandmasterminds.com" rel="nofollow">5th Edition D&D</a>! :) This is one change for 4th Edition I like, a lot. We’ve long had non-aligned dragons in our D&D sessions as it keeps players on their toes which is always a good thing. While 90% of Gold dragons might well be Good-aligned, their definition of “goodness” might well differ with what puny pinkskins believe.

Heck, back in Classic D&D we had a Red Steel dragon, a homage to a certain metal from the Savage Coast campaign setting. That was both a chromatic //and// metallic dragon with certain rather unusual power. Unusual for a dragon, that is.

For my part, I’d be happy if they dropped the whole chromatic dragon nomeclature and replaced it with more elemental names. Give me Fire Drakes, Sea Wyrms, Sandragons, Forest Drakes and Swamp Dragons instead of Red, Blue, White, Green and Black. Give me multi-coloured dragons. Give me Fire Drakes with red scales and yellow undersides, or green-and-brown mottled Forest Drakes. Let the colours change with age, or shift according to mood. Give me dragons that are cool and fun to play without a spreadsheet and three open rulesbooks by my side.

In short, I don’t mind how much they change the dragons for 4e; it was one of the areas in 3.5e which desperately needed revision.

Meantime, I’ll keep on playing 5th Edition D&D! :)

]]> By: ChattyDM http://critical-hits.com/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47571 ChattyDM Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:08:56 +0000 http://chattydm.net/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47571 Close enough.... John and Davetrollkin take the prize. I can spot when a game stalls for too long... :) I realized while writing this that all of the 4e good dragons are going to be themed after loot material for D&D players . 3 precious metals types 2 special materials. I do think that the Mithril dragon will make an appearance in a supplement or an online Web enhancement. So you both get to chose the Tropes for the next trope post (or in John's case, maybe request the next Silvervine post) :) (yes Yan, I know you can roll Brass loot on the treasure charts... now go make that Samurai Warblade... good boy!) Close enough…. John and Davetrollkin take the prize. I can spot when a game stalls for too long… :)

I realized while writing this that all of the 4e good dragons are going to be themed after loot material for D&D players .

3 precious metals types
2 special materials.

I do think that the Mithril dragon will make an appearance in a supplement or an online Web enhancement.

So you both get to chose the Tropes for the next trope post (or in John’s case, maybe request the next Silvervine post)
:)

(yes Yan, I know you can roll Brass loot on the treasure charts… now go make that Samurai Warblade… good boy!)

]]> By: John Arcadian http://critical-hits.com/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47570 John Arcadian Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:58:01 +0000 http://chattydm.net/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47570 They are all the names of the metal used for types of currency. Copper coins, gold coins, etc. They are all the names of the metal used for types of currency. Copper coins, gold coins, etc.

]]> By: ChattyDM http://critical-hits.com/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47569 ChattyDM Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:34:16 +0000 http://chattydm.net/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47569 I distinctly recall an Electrum Dragon somewhere in D&D's history... Last chance: What do all five 4e good dragons have in common (thematically speaking, metal non withstanding) in regards to PCs in a generic D&D world? Don't loot err look too far! :) I distinctly recall an Electrum Dragon somewhere in D&D’s history…

Last chance: What do all five 4e good dragons have in common (thematically speaking, metal non withstanding) in regards to PCs in a generic D&D world?

Don’t loot err look too far! :)

]]> By: Dave T. Game http://critical-hits.com/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47568 Dave T. Game Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:28:59 +0000 http://chattydm.net/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47568 Uhh, duh, Iron and Adamantite are out because they're not units of currency in D&D? Now we just need Gold and Silver dragons to have Electrum babies. Uhh, duh, Iron and Adamantite are out because they’re not units of currency in D&D?

Now we just need Gold and Silver dragons to have Electrum babies.

]]> By: ChattyDM http://critical-hits.com/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47567 ChattyDM Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:00:30 +0000 http://chattydm.net/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47567 Darin: The simile of Dragons as Elephants is disturbing! Sorry for the unneeded clarification, I don't always know the background of a new commenter... :) And you made me realize that Adamantine's color or look is not mentioned in the SRD. (Other than 'This ultrahard metal adds to the quality of a weapon or suit of armor' Anyone else has a description (apart from Wolverine's claws, but I believe that WotC's Adamantine and Marvel's Adamantium are two different fictitious metals)? Darin: The simile of Dragons as Elephants is disturbing! Sorry for the unneeded clarification, I don’t always know the background of a new commenter… :)

And you made me realize that Adamantine’s color or look is not mentioned in the SRD. (Other than ‘This ultrahard metal adds to the quality of a weapon or suit of armor’

Anyone else has a description (apart from Wolverine’s claws, but I believe that WotC’s Adamantine and Marvel’s Adamantium are two different fictitious metals)?

]]> By: Phased Weasel http://critical-hits.com/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47566 Phased Weasel Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:54:24 +0000 http://chattydm.net/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47566 Nice call on the alloys, Yax, now that I think about it "pure" metal is more satisfying. I was thinking, both brass and bronze basically looked like gold and copper, so they were making dragon appearances less confusing. However, I have no idea what adamantine looks like, so it's hard to say if it's easily confused with iron or platinum. I'm glad to see you're comfortable changing dragons to suit your world, Chatty! Dragons are so rich and full of flavor I think they should be at least semi-unique in each campaign. I know mine vary quite a bit (sometimes non-intelligent, sometimes they cannot take human form, I prefer the more "primal" dragon). Omnius, I forgot all about the old mercury dragon. That was one of my favorites! Nice call on the alloys, Yax, now that I think about it “pure” metal is more satisfying.

I was thinking, both brass and bronze basically looked like gold and copper, so they were making dragon appearances less confusing.

However, I have no idea what adamantine looks like, so it’s hard to say if it’s easily confused with iron or platinum.

I’m glad to see you’re comfortable changing dragons to suit your world, Chatty! Dragons are so rich and full of flavor I think they should be at least semi-unique in each campaign. I know mine vary quite a bit (sometimes non-intelligent, sometimes they cannot take human form, I prefer the more “primal” dragon).

Omnius, I forgot all about the old mercury dragon. That was one of my favorites!

]]> By: Darin http://critical-hits.com/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47565 Darin Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:52:34 +0000 http://chattydm.net/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47565 Yes, I knew it was D&D. I just didn't know its appearance. So, is there going to be a large amount of dead dragons around, hunted for their raw materials? That's going to stink. Yes, I knew it was D&D. I just didn’t know its appearance.

So, is there going to be a large amount of dead dragons around, hunted for their raw materials? That’s going to stink.

]]> By: ChattyDM http://critical-hits.com/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47564 ChattyDM Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:39:59 +0000 http://chattydm.net/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47564 Close Darin. Adamantine is a material available in D&D to make weapons and armour, so is (Cold)Iron. Close Darin.

Adamantine is a material available in D&D to make weapons and armour, so is (Cold)Iron.

]]> By: Darin http://critical-hits.com/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47563 Darin Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:38:07 +0000 http://chattydm.net/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47563 The first three are shiny. Iron isn't. I don't really play/remember about adamantine. The first three are shiny. Iron isn’t. I don’t really play/remember about adamantine.

]]> By: ChattyDM http://critical-hits.com/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47562 ChattyDM Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:34:27 +0000 http://chattydm.net/2008/01/15/mini-fluffncrunch-requiem-for-my-bronze-friend/#comment-47562 :) ... This is a clear (and bad) example of the DM having only one answer and players grasping at straws... a sign of bad adventure design and I take the blame. The good dragons are going to be: <i>Platinum: as a God</i> Gold Silver Copper Iron Adamantine (The carriage return is intentional and denotes a change of subcategory, not a missing dragon) Let's give people a few more chances and then I'll give the 'prize' to the closest guess. So far Davetrollkin has it. :) :) … This is a clear (and bad) example of the DM having only one answer and players grasping at straws… a sign of bad adventure design and I take the blame.

The good dragons are going to be:

Platinum: as a God
Gold
Silver
Copper

Iron
Adamantine

(The carriage return is intentional and denotes a change of subcategory, not a missing dragon)

Let’s give people a few more chances and then I’ll give the ‘prize’ to the closest guess. So far Davetrollkin has it.
:)

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