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		<title>By: The O</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2006/04/04/wow-assholes-on-parade/#comment-58171</link>
		<dc:creator>The O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I figured since I&#039;m probably the biggest WoW addict of any of the writers, I better represent and clear up some confusion. To begin though, my opinion is that while I did not find it humorous in the least, the people holding the funeral shouldn&#039;t have been surprised. I can understand why they held it where they did. They are playing on a non-RP PVP server, a server type notorious for having the most immature of players. Plus, if the person really meant somthing to them, they should just shrug it off and try again later (with less publicity and new location). What bothers me is how the alliance players were calling them freaks and the like; I feel that is completely uncalled for. If the guild members only knew the person in WoW, it would seem fitting to pay your respects via WoW. If someone else in the guild knew the person well enough, they could post email addresses, postal addresses of real life friends/loved ones of the deceased.

Yes it would&#039;ve made more sense to host the funeral in a neutral zone, but the alliance players would&#039;ve shown up and made a scene anyway, shouting obscenites and the like. They held the funeral in Winterspring, a zone that is both aesthetically pleasing and difficult to reach. You have to be at least level 55 to even get into the zone (the only way into the zone is through a cave guarded by level 55 monsters). Therefore, they did the right thing by filtering out a good portion of the population. The neutrral zones are also swarming with lower level players who would pester them to no end.

In regards to Bartoneus&#039; comment regarding honor and DarthCthulu&#039;s confusion, here is how it works.  Barton knows it&#039;s not a matter of actual honor, it&#039;s just a stupid label that Blizzard gave it for the dynamics of their PvP system. An &quot;Honor Kill&quot; is awarded for every member of the opposite faction who is 10 levels less than you or above. You get no in-game rewards for ganking low level characters (except for personal satisfaction). A &quot;Dishonorable Kill&quot; is awarded for killing NPC civilians of the opposite faction. I realize that makes no sense for the &quot;evil&quot; horde, but it&#039;s a matter of game balance. They could come up with different terms for the horde, but noone really cares. As you gain more and more &quot;honor&quot;, you gain military rank amongst your faction which gives you access to better gear. So yes, the term &quot;honor&quot; makes no sense, but it is disregarded.

There really aren&#039;t that many assholes in WoW. The only issue I have at times is the level of maturity as the game is really popular with high school kids. The RP servers have mature players and even fewer assholes (based on my experience playing on RP, PvP and Non-PvP servers)

I do not mean to cause strife, but rather to clear up some confusion. Obviously I am not trying to change anyone&#039;s opionion of WoW or MMO&#039;s as I tend to think of them as anchovie&#039;s on pizza, they&#039;re an acquired taste :P.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I figured since I&#8217;m probably the biggest WoW addict of any of the writers, I better represent and clear up some confusion. To begin though, my opinion is that while I did not find it humorous in the least, the people holding the funeral shouldn&#8217;t have been surprised. I can understand why they held it where they did. They are playing on a non-RP PVP server, a server type notorious for having the most immature of players. Plus, if the person really meant somthing to them, they should just shrug it off and try again later (with less publicity and new location). What bothers me is how the alliance players were calling them freaks and the like; I feel that is completely uncalled for. If the guild members only knew the person in WoW, it would seem fitting to pay your respects via WoW. If someone else in the guild knew the person well enough, they could post email addresses, postal addresses of real life friends/loved ones of the deceased.</p>
<p>Yes it would&#8217;ve made more sense to host the funeral in a neutral zone, but the alliance players would&#8217;ve shown up and made a scene anyway, shouting obscenites and the like. They held the funeral in Winterspring, a zone that is both aesthetically pleasing and difficult to reach. You have to be at least level 55 to even get into the zone (the only way into the zone is through a cave guarded by level 55 monsters). Therefore, they did the right thing by filtering out a good portion of the population. The neutrral zones are also swarming with lower level players who would pester them to no end.</p>
<p>In regards to Bartoneus&#8217; comment regarding honor and DarthCthulu&#8217;s confusion, here is how it works.  Barton knows it&#8217;s not a matter of actual honor, it&#8217;s just a stupid label that Blizzard gave it for the dynamics of their PvP system. An &#8220;Honor Kill&#8221; is awarded for every member of the opposite faction who is 10 levels less than you or above. You get no in-game rewards for ganking low level characters (except for personal satisfaction). A &#8220;Dishonorable Kill&#8221; is awarded for killing NPC civilians of the opposite faction. I realize that makes no sense for the &#8220;evil&#8221; horde, but it&#8217;s a matter of game balance. They could come up with different terms for the horde, but noone really cares. As you gain more and more &#8220;honor&#8221;, you gain military rank amongst your faction which gives you access to better gear. So yes, the term &#8220;honor&#8221; makes no sense, but it is disregarded.</p>
<p>There really aren&#8217;t that many assholes in WoW. The only issue I have at times is the level of maturity as the game is really popular with high school kids. The RP servers have mature players and even fewer assholes (based on my experience playing on RP, PvP and Non-PvP servers)</p>
<p>I do not mean to cause strife, but rather to clear up some confusion. Obviously I am not trying to change anyone&#8217;s opionion of WoW or MMO&#8217;s as I tend to think of them as anchovie&#8217;s on pizza, they&#8217;re an acquired taste <img src='http://critical-hits.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: The Main Event</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2006/04/04/wow-assholes-on-parade/#comment-58170</link>
		<dc:creator>The Main Event</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 02:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, its a game.  Its sad that someone cared so much about it that they would have a spot for an online funeral.  Then again, I know people addicted to WOW.

MMORPG&#039;s - an alternative for addicts, at least its not crack!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, its a game.  Its sad that someone cared so much about it that they would have a spot for an online funeral.  Then again, I know people addicted to WOW.</p>
<p>MMORPG&#8217;s &#8211; an alternative for addicts, at least its not crack!</p>
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		<title>By: joshx0rfz</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2006/04/04/wow-assholes-on-parade/#comment-58169</link>
		<dc:creator>joshx0rfz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could bring this round to the &quot;violence in videogames&quot; and connect it to violence in &quot;real life&quot; debate. There just seems to be a certain disconnect between a virtual world and the real one.

-Josh

P.S. I did find it pretty funny too just because of the speed at which everyone died.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could bring this round to the &#8220;violence in videogames&#8221; and connect it to violence in &#8220;real life&#8221; debate. There just seems to be a certain disconnect between a virtual world and the real one.</p>
<p>-Josh</p>
<p>P.S. I did find it pretty funny too just because of the speed at which everyone died.</p>
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		<title>By: drscotto</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2006/04/04/wow-assholes-on-parade/#comment-58168</link>
		<dc:creator>drscotto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. This &lt;b&gt;was&lt;/b&gt; a horrible thing to do.

2. People like that are often the reason that other people will avoid MMO&#039;s.  Yes, there are assholes in real life too.  But, we don&#039;t play games and hang out with them just because they live nearby (which translates roughly to being on the same server).

3. I would be pissed off and appaled if that happend to me.

4. Because it did not happen to me, and because the editing and music accompanyment were clever, I found it hard to not be amused.  It&#039;s funny, I&#039;ll admit it.  But it&#039;s only funny because I have no emotional link to the deceased.  That&#039;s an important point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. This <b>was</b> a horrible thing to do.</p>
<p>2. People like that are often the reason that other people will avoid MMO&#8217;s.  Yes, there are assholes in real life too.  But, we don&#8217;t play games and hang out with them just because they live nearby (which translates roughly to being on the same server).</p>
<p>3. I would be pissed off and appaled if that happend to me.</p>
<p>4. Because it did not happen to me, and because the editing and music accompanyment were clever, I found it hard to not be amused.  It&#8217;s funny, I&#8217;ll admit it.  But it&#8217;s only funny because I have no emotional link to the deceased.  That&#8217;s an important point.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2006/04/04/wow-assholes-on-parade/#comment-58167</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 17:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Fair enough, however, when was the last time you heard about a funeral being crashed in real life?&quot;

Sadly I think it&#039;s consequences, not morals, that keep this from happening. I guess along the same lines as Josh I&#039;m not defending MMO people so much as attacking &quot;RL&quot; people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Fair enough, however, when was the last time you heard about a funeral being crashed in real life?&#8221;</p>
<p>Sadly I think it&#8217;s consequences, not morals, that keep this from happening. I guess along the same lines as Josh I&#8217;m not defending MMO people so much as attacking &#8220;RL&#8221; people.</p>
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		<title>By: joshx0rfz</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2006/04/04/wow-assholes-on-parade/#comment-58166</link>
		<dc:creator>joshx0rfz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s a creep, super creep, he&#039;s super creepy.

Directed at Justin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s a creep, super creep, he&#8217;s super creepy.</p>
<p>Directed at Justin.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2006/04/04/wow-assholes-on-parade/#comment-58165</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 21:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kind of like women going out alone at night, they&#039;re just asking for it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kind of like women going out alone at night, they&#8217;re just asking for it!</p>
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		<title>By: DarthCthulhu</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2006/04/04/wow-assholes-on-parade/#comment-58164</link>
		<dc:creator>DarthCthulhu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 20:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There are, after all, assholes in real life too, and I’m willing to bet the percentage is just about the same as that of assholes on WoW.&quot;

If that&#039;s the case, then even there are even LESS decent people on WoW than I originally thought as 99.99999% of people in real life are contemptible assholes. That&#039;s a lot of assholes! With a population of around 6 Billion on the planet, that makes roughly 600 non-assholes around the globe. I think my estimate might be a little too cheritable to the human race. It&#039;s probably more like around 30.

Billions and billions of assholes. Eat your heart out, Carl Sagan.

&quot;There are benefits, you get honorable kills for it.&quot;

Bwahahaha! Okay, now THAT is funny. Ruin a funeral... FOR HONOR!

Just like when we played City of Brass where I Betrayed someone and managed to get lots of honor for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There are, after all, assholes in real life too, and I’m willing to bet the percentage is just about the same as that of assholes on WoW.&#8221;</p>
<p>If that&#8217;s the case, then even there are even LESS decent people on WoW than I originally thought as 99.99999% of people in real life are contemptible assholes. That&#8217;s a lot of assholes! With a population of around 6 Billion on the planet, that makes roughly 600 non-assholes around the globe. I think my estimate might be a little too cheritable to the human race. It&#8217;s probably more like around 30.</p>
<p>Billions and billions of assholes. Eat your heart out, Carl Sagan.</p>
<p>&#8220;There are benefits, you get honorable kills for it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bwahahaha! Okay, now THAT is funny. Ruin a funeral&#8230; FOR HONOR!</p>
<p>Just like when we played City of Brass where I Betrayed someone and managed to get lots of honor for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bartoneus</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2006/04/04/wow-assholes-on-parade/#comment-58163</link>
		<dc:creator>Bartoneus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 19:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are benefits, you get honorable kills for it.  On PVP servers, it is general practice to find out about the opposing faction&#039;s events and decide whether or not to raid them, let them go, or do something else just as devious like raid towns while the guild in question is occupied elsewhere.  It even happens that factions LET the other side know about events, and you can even ask that the other side not interfere with it.  Some groups just won&#039;t listen, but this is certainly not the first, or even the hundredth time an event on a pvp server has been interrupted.

That&#039;s why I commented, saying that the guild should have -predicted- that it was going to happen and taken the proper precautions to prevent it.  (Mainly having it in non-contested territory, any decision otherwise brings the hammer down on them)

If they were really smart the would have gotten the best guild on their side to stand guard, or several guilds to help out.  That way crashers would be scared off before they could wreck anything.  Daes Dae&#039;mar, man, Daes Dae&#039;mar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are benefits, you get honorable kills for it.  On PVP servers, it is general practice to find out about the opposing faction&#8217;s events and decide whether or not to raid them, let them go, or do something else just as devious like raid towns while the guild in question is occupied elsewhere.  It even happens that factions LET the other side know about events, and you can even ask that the other side not interfere with it.  Some groups just won&#8217;t listen, but this is certainly not the first, or even the hundredth time an event on a pvp server has been interrupted.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I commented, saying that the guild should have -predicted- that it was going to happen and taken the proper precautions to prevent it.  (Mainly having it in non-contested territory, any decision otherwise brings the hammer down on them)</p>
<p>If they were really smart the would have gotten the best guild on their side to stand guard, or several guilds to help out.  That way crashers would be scared off before they could wreck anything.  Daes Dae&#8217;mar, man, Daes Dae&#8217;mar.</p>
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		<title>By: The Game</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2006/04/04/wow-assholes-on-parade/#comment-58162</link>
		<dc:creator>The Game</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 19:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They couldn&#039;t really hold an ingame funeral on a non-PVP server, since that&#039;s where their guild was. I think the only dumb part was holding it in a contested spot, which as I put in my entry, probably had some kind of &quot;sentimental&quot; value or was just one of the more nicer looking.

Besides, it wasn&#039;t: Group holds in-game funeral, accidentally aggros Level 90 Giant Monkeybrain, or even group holds in-game funeral, opposing group accidentally finds them, fight breaks out.

It is: group hears about funeral, goes out of their way to disrupt and kill everyone there, for no big benefit (if I understand the PVP system correctly.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They couldn&#8217;t really hold an ingame funeral on a non-PVP server, since that&#8217;s where their guild was. I think the only dumb part was holding it in a contested spot, which as I put in my entry, probably had some kind of &#8220;sentimental&#8221; value or was just one of the more nicer looking.</p>
<p>Besides, it wasn&#8217;t: Group holds in-game funeral, accidentally aggros Level 90 Giant Monkeybrain, or even group holds in-game funeral, opposing group accidentally finds them, fight breaks out.</p>
<p>It is: group hears about funeral, goes out of their way to disrupt and kill everyone there, for no big benefit (if I understand the PVP system correctly.)</p>
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		<title>By: Bartoneus</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2006/04/04/wow-assholes-on-parade/#comment-58161</link>
		<dc:creator>Bartoneus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I concur, it seems like the amount of thought that was put into this funeral they surely couldn&#039;t have been surprised when a group of Alliance came running over the hill with ganking-mallets at the ready.

Those Alliance players are assholes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I concur, it seems like the amount of thought that was put into this funeral they surely couldn&#8217;t have been surprised when a group of Alliance came running over the hill with ganking-mallets at the ready.</p>
<p>Those Alliance players are assholes.</p>
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		<title>By: The Main Event</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2006/04/04/wow-assholes-on-parade/#comment-58160</link>
		<dc:creator>The Main Event</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course it was a mean thing to do, but I thought it was amusing.  I mean, am I the only one that just thought an event like this is asking for trouble on an online MMORPG PVP server?

Not to condone it, but its tantamount to saying the word &#039;poop&#039; in a room full of eighth graders.  Even if its contextualized in a serious manner, they&#039;re gonna giggle.  Similarly, WOW is the sort of place  where &#039;serious&#039; events like a funeral are going to get shit all over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course it was a mean thing to do, but I thought it was amusing.  I mean, am I the only one that just thought an event like this is asking for trouble on an online MMORPG PVP server?</p>
<p>Not to condone it, but its tantamount to saying the word &#8216;poop&#8217; in a room full of eighth graders.  Even if its contextualized in a serious manner, they&#8217;re gonna giggle.  Similarly, WOW is the sort of place  where &#8216;serious&#8217; events like a funeral are going to get shit all over.</p>
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		<title>By: The Game</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2006/04/04/wow-assholes-on-parade/#comment-58159</link>
		<dc:creator>The Game</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough, however, when was the last time you heard about a funeral being crashed in real life?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough, however, when was the last time you heard about a funeral being crashed in real life?</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2006/04/04/wow-assholes-on-parade/#comment-58158</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 15:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is hardly a representative sample to draw conclusions about the game itself or the people who play it.

Drawing conclusions based on 0.01% of the population has a name: stereotyping.

There are, after all, assholes in real life too, and I&#039;m willing to bet the percentage is just about the same as that of assholes on WoW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is hardly a representative sample to draw conclusions about the game itself or the people who play it.</p>
<p>Drawing conclusions based on 0.01% of the population has a name: stereotyping.</p>
<p>There are, after all, assholes in real life too, and I&#8217;m willing to bet the percentage is just about the same as that of assholes on WoW.</p>
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		<title>By: Bartoneus</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2006/04/04/wow-assholes-on-parade/#comment-58157</link>
		<dc:creator>Bartoneus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 15:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The game certainly seems to attract this sort of personality.  It&#039;s probably the rampant consumerism and strife for superiority, just gets those a-holes clinging!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The game certainly seems to attract this sort of personality.  It&#8217;s probably the rampant consumerism and strife for superiority, just gets those a-holes clinging!</p>
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		<title>By: joshx0rfz</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2006/04/04/wow-assholes-on-parade/#comment-58156</link>
		<dc:creator>joshx0rfz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Misanthropic moments with DarthCthulhu, new monitorside reading.
-Josh</description>
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-Josh</p>
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		<title>By: The Game</title>
		<link>http://critical-hits.com/2006/04/04/wow-assholes-on-parade/#comment-58155</link>
		<dc:creator>The Game</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.critical-hits.com/Dave/2006_03_19_davelog_archive.html#114305992119093016

Is my take on it. I was really pissed off when I read the story, and even more so when I read people&#039;s comments when the video got Digged.</description>
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<p>Is my take on it. I was really pissed off when I read the story, and even more so when I read people&#8217;s comments when the video got Digged.</p>
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